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The fact that I see HF Wickham specimens from the late 1800s in the Coccinellidae box is bit disturbing...

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In my view, if someone did push it off Ebay, it would only mean no-one would ever know about it, and it would be more likely to end up in a dumpster.

I prefer to have these things where, as this thread shows, they are visible to scrutiny and consideration. If this had been full of loaned types, it could have been reclaimed by the entomological community relatively easily- while if it couldn't be sold on Ebay, it would most likely just get thrown away or put in the back of a garage where the dermestids would finish the job-

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FYI the person got back to me quickly and said "This was a very odd find for me. There was a sign in Tempe that said "Free Sale". The entire contents of a house was slowly put out in the driveway for over a week. Every single day new items until everything was gone. I could tell that it was the estate of an entomologist. There were tons of entomology magazines and books. A lot of government agriculture books and pamphlets about insect pests. I didn't get any of those. A friend of mine did and sold one rare textbook recently, the rest he donated. I'm guessing that the person passed away and his kids emptied the house so they could put it on the market and flip it quick. That actually happens quite often around here. I know two houses on my friends street on the same week where they threw away the entire contents of the house to flip them quick. Antiques, gold and silver jewelry, etc. everything in the garbage. But I digress. I sold a couple empty cases. And unfortunately the specimens had completely disintegrated in some cases due to other insects eating them. My friend sold a couple also. I have one other large glass display of insects that's too fragile to ship that I'm not going to list for that reason. I can send you some pictures of that one when I get some time to go dig it out of storage.

I highly doubt ebay would cancel a transaction, it would take them a week or two to review and by then the damage is done. I flag things on the site when I come across them (ivory, coral, CITES, etc), but they have generally stopped bothering to take down obviously illegal wildlife, let alone something like this.

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On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Brower, Andrew V - APHIS <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

I think if somebody says something to Ebay the deal will be cancelled.


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Yikes, good catch! I was writing a talk about this for SPNHC2020 before the world fell apart. A great example of someone unwittingly selling off what looks to be loaned material from the William Iselin collection (maybe K-State?). Ive reached out to the seller to inquire but essentially nothing can be done other than purchasing the specimens back. It looks like someone already got the good box of Buprestids. The rest looks like a loss.

Chris

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On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Anthony Deczynski <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

There's a small insect collection selling on Ebay out of Glendale AZ right now if anyone has the funds and wants to save it. Looks like it may contain some loan materials- specimens collected by Don Chandler in California in 1970 caught my eye in the coccinellids. Looks like two boxes may have sold already, I can find the completed listing for one and it was empty.

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