Dear Joan, Marcia and Sci-Arters: Yes, the concrete is crumbling at UIC. Fortunately that inspired the removal of the concrete overhang that ran throught the main campus. It looks better as of the last time I looked, more open and they've planted more trees and flowers. This was very bold, as they changed the architect's vision of the campus. A little like touching up the corners of a great piece of art but in this case a blessing. If you want nice visuals in Chicago the lakefront is wonderful and not far from UIC, and then there's the Art Institute itself, just down the road. Though I never took art courses at UIC I did manage to find botanical illustration in the area through Morton Arboretum, Peach Simmons used to teach it. She is probably the person who most influenced me to join GNSI. I also took drawing through the community arts program at the Art Institute of Chicago, which usually allowed me to do semi-independent study within botanical illustration within the framework of the classes. Olivia Petrides, who illustrated one of the Peterson Field Guides taught drawing and painting there, though she did not identify as an illustrator. She may well still be there. She was supportive, once she realized that I cared about the artistry as well as the use, and a wonderful teacher. Both of these programs offer exceptional chances to learn at reasonable cost from great teachers, artists and illustrators. Graduate work at the Art Institute is very expensive and the administration was not supportive of any kind of illustration work. That's probably still true. The old artist vs. illustrator prejudice. Access to the teachers through the community arts program is therefore precious in more than one way. Of course it would be hard to find time to do these things on top of graduate work, but if one does not already have this training the summer is a great time to take traditional art classes in Chicago. Anyway you do have outside options if you go to Chicago. You may even be able to arrange some traditional course work for credit at UIC throught the Art Institute, but tuition will be much higher. I had a different purpose in mind though, I wanted (want) to become a botanist and use illustration as a tool. Miriam